Education: Best Schools in the U.S.A.

Kansas - Best Schools in the U.S.A.

How many people have you met who say they moved to Johnson County because of the schools? My guess is several and you may be one of them, too.

People move to places for their primary strengths. People move to Florida for the beaches, for example, or to Colorado for the mountains. For Kansas, people move here because of the schools.

I believe that the vision from which to build a blueprint for Kansas’ future centers around education. Having the strongest public school system in the nation leads directly to broader, richer economic development and will attract a steady growth of families from around the country who value investing in themselves and in our communities.

By 2020, we will be able to say “Kansas - Best Schools in the U.S.A.” and have it backed up by hard numbers to prove it. These include:
    • Highest average standardized test scores (ACT/SAT, etc...)
    • Highest high school graduation rate
    • Highest percentage of high school graduates accepted to post-secondary schools
    • Highest literacy rate in the U.S.

This tagline: ”Kansas - Best Schools in the U.S.A.” will be on our license plates, in magazines and newspapers, and in our economic development packages we use to attract existing companies and businesses.

When you meet people while on vacation and you tell them you’re from Kansas, we want them to say, “Oh, yeah, Kansas! That’s the place with the best schools in the nation.”

Join me in my effort to make Kansas the state with the best schools in the U.S.A.!

AB  on  Wed, Jul 16, 08  at  06:15 PM says:

I don’t think having a new tag-line on license plates qualifies that your schools are better. A lot of the “Internet community” views Kansas’ educational system as laughable at best, regressive at worst.

Putting that on your license plates would probably help the situation only by making us laugh harder.

Understudy  on  Wed, Jul 16, 08  at  07:53 PM says:

Best schools in the USA. Brought to you by the same school board that decided redefine science. The same school board that anti evolution stance that spawned the creation of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The last reason I will move to Kansas is because of the schools.

An Illustrator  on  Wed, Jul 16, 08  at  08:29 PM says:

The standardized test score bit worries me. Generally, schools push everything out into the wayside when they look for test scores.  It was only through willingness to work in the abandoned photo chemical closet of my highschool that I learned to paint well enough to get to college and pursue my career. Art cannot easily be graded like math or science, and most adults do not value the teaching of it at early stages.

Highschool and Middleschool are the times when most would-be artists give up- make sure you keep their best interests in mind as well smile

Ryan Glover  on  Wed, Jul 16, 08  at  08:36 PM says:

I think it’s pretty clear that the schools will be made the best in the USA before the license plates are stamped out.  The platform is based on improving education to a point where the plate claim is accurate.  The plate is just the cherry on top when the goal has been met.

Sean Tevis  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  12:09 AM says:

I think Ryan said it best. I cringe when I tell people I’m from Kansas and they crack a joke about our schools or (lack of) science standards. Best Schools in the U.S.A. is a goal to reach by 2020. I’m seeking “buy in” from Kansans that this is a worthwhile goal, which I hope will lead to the next steps of improving our schools to make it a reality.

David Rutter  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  01:58 AM says:

I think shooting for high graduation rates and high literacy rates are good ideas, but shooting for high test scores and high college acceptance rates are bad ideas.  The school of the future will move away from this preoccupation with college and focus on giving students worthwhile industry skills and getting them on track for a career, considering that not nearly as many students as those who are in charge of education would like are cut out for college.  Perhaps if they were already, in high school, learning the skills to do the things they are interested in doing for a living, they would be less likely to drop out?  Or, just as good, they would drop out because they were already engaged in a successful career rather than that they are tired of the bureaucratic BS that is school?

I think a better goal for reforming schools would not be to set your sights on numbers, but on real qualitative standards.  Hold the students to a higher standard (but not necessarily the same standard for every student, since all students aren’t the same) so they can surprise you by meeting the goals they set for themselves, rather than satisfy you by meeting the goals (numeric thresholds) you set for them.

Peter Gerdes  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  03:39 AM says:

First to the people mocking Kansas schools: stop it your being dumb.  He is proposing to MAKE Kansas schools the best in the nation by implementing CHANGES (nice if we had more details) so comments about bad choices made in the past are really irrelevant.  Besides, as strongly as I feel about teaching evolution it is a single hot button issue that doesn’t reflect general school quality.

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As to the value of achieving high test scores and elite college acceptances I would point out that these are clearly good things.  Both acceptances and test scores are highly correlated with student comprehension and achievement.  There is a danger in too closely tieing teacher incentives to test scores but that is a different issue than suggesting high test scores aren’t a valid indicator of a good educational system in the absence of such incentives.

Finally, college may not be strictly necessary in a job training sort of sense for most of the population but colleges serve many important social and economic roles.  Economically they perform an important sorting function by distinguishing those who are dedicated and smart enough to do assignments while living alone from those who can’t.  No school attended while living at home could achieve the same.

This brings us to the second and most important benefit of college: socialization.  College provides an important transition period where young people live on their own and mingle with each other.  The cost in dollars of a college education is actually pretty small when compared to the benefits resulting from college friendships and experiences.  Moreover, without the chance to experiment intellectually/socially/etc in a fairly protected environment people wouldn’t grow as much.

The reason these benefits require college is because most parents wouldn’t pay to send their kids somewhere to hang out for four years but will pay for them to go to college.

AK  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  04:34 AM says:

Could you please provide more details on HOW you’d make Kansas schools better?

I love the idea of more pro-science, pro-geek individuals in positions of power, and I’ll likely donate to you regardless, but it would make me feel a lot better about giving you that money if you clarified your positions more both here and on the illegal immigration page); even if I didn’t fully agree with the positions.

Rassah  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  08:10 AM says:

As an immigrant from Ukraine, who lived in Italy for a while, I would just LOVE to see at least one state manage to rise up to the level of education in European countries. Coming here in the middle of my school career has immediately given me the impression that schools here are just absolutely pathetic in comparison. When I left my home country, we were starting on algebra and exponents using multi-level fractions in math, and macro biology and plant evolution in sciences, in 3rd grade! When I came here, I was put in classes where we learned single digit multiplication and division, and learning about basic states of matter (gas, solid, liquid); and the schools I went to were actually considered good by US standards. I do hope you would post some of your ideas for how you plan to improve the schools in Kansas. I’ve noticed that a lot of politicians have a phobia of looking to emulate other countries, and instead are trying to do everything on their own from scratch, only bumbling about with disappointing results in the end. I am hoping you are not one of those politicians, because there are many many many examples of excellent schools around the world, and it would be great if someone in the position of power took the time to learn why they are successful, and implement their best attributes for our own kids.
P.S. I have already made a donation regardless. Good luck.

Andrea  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  08:13 AM says:

I’m a science teacher, and I would love to see more reality-based, pro-science people in the government offices!  (I also have a soft spot in my heart for geeks.)

As others have noted, Kansas has a terrible reputation for being a backward state with creationist/I.D. nuts yanking the school board around.  (Not to mention former state senator/antisuffragist Kay O’Connor.)

The goals of the NCLB are generally good—improved education levels, accountability, but the means are horrendous.  The real purposes of education get reduced or dropped when districts struggle to improve the almighty test scores by drilling students in test-taking rather than educating them. We need a citizenry that is educated and knows how to engage in critical thinking!

andrea

Jacob G. Corbin  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  08:24 AM says:

Understudy, what you don’t realize is that at one time Kansas, or more specifically urban Northeastern Kansas, where Sean and I are from, had one of the best public school systems in the country.  My alma mater, Shawnee Mission East, routinely graduated more National Merit scholars than the Kansas City metro area’s best private/parochial schools combined.  If you’re from out-of-state and reading this while picturing a bunch of hayseeds in bib overalls, you need to revise that impression: Johnson County has a lot more in common with fast-growing exurbs like Evanston, Illinois or the North Carolina research triangle than with your dim childhood memories of “Beverly Hillbillies” reruns.

Understudy  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  08:25 AM says:

I may have jumped the gun a bit in my original post. I understand that he is trying to make an effort to increase real science in the schools. Especially in the face of what happened with the school boards decision regarding Intelligent Design and redefining science a few years back. But here is the issue. This was a decision made by the school board and not the state congress. I would like to know what he intends to do as a member of the state congress to change decisions that are generally fall under the auspices of the school board?

I also donated the $8.43. By the way the server for the donation page is getting slammed again.

I wonder if the local news media has chosen to pick up this great story.

travc  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  12:27 PM says:

I don’t know about the license plate angle, but promoting education as a civic point of pride is actually a very good and potentially powerful idea.

A few other ‘taglines’ and phrases which may serve well:
Excellence in Education

Education is the long term solution to every problem.

Nothing is more ‘family values’ than providing our children with a better education and better future.

Lee  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  04:46 PM says:

Re-read “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”. You’ll remember that standardized scores and graduation rates hardly define “education”.

Anonymous  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  08:44 PM says:

Hey everyone! Read the source code for the website!

Understudy  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  10:01 PM says:

That is cool I wish I had read that before. smile

Patrick Shields  on  Thu, Jul 17, 08  at  10:02 PM says:

Hey Sean,

I am a 17-year-old high school graduate from Shawnee and I came to your website through Digg. I agree with you on transparency in government, but I disagree with your education stance for two reasons:

1) I don’t believe it is right that just because you (and/or the majority) of Olathe residents believe that Kansas should have the best schools, you can ethically take that money from taxpayers who may not believe the same thing. I would like to see education spending frozen or decreased; let private schools take care of excessive spending.

2) You can’t just throw money at schools to make them better. I know as Shawnee HS grad. that despite high standards on paper, students are becoming more guilt-ridden, shy, and out of control of their own lives. I hope you fight to reverse this trend by encouraging less regulation, because regulation tramples students’ confidence.

Also, please fight against mob rule. I think it’s absurd that children are required to go to school beyond elementary school. I feel like I’ve wasted the past four years of my life living up to other people’s arbitrary standards. I would rather have gotten work experience.

I scored a 2180 on the SAT, so I’m helping Kansas’ test sores. Hope you consider what I’ve said.

- Patrick

Edward L. Wittlif  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  12:05 AM says:

Patrick-
1. That’s a bit circular. You’re saying that it’s unfair of him to spend tax money on education if/when a majority of taxpayers disagree, right? However, if he’s elected, it will be because a majority of taxpayers agree with his platform, so he won’t be violating their wishes. Others may disagree, but if he’s elected and follows his campaign promises, that’s about as ethically sound as a politician can get, right?

2. I don’t really understand the connection between funding and regulation. Aside from that, while excessive regulation may hinder creativity and exploration, I’m not sure how it would pertain to confidence.

Anyway, in terms of the campaign promise in question: I’ve got a lot of family living in Kansas, and they’re firmly rooted there, so I’m going to have nieces and nephews attending these hypothetical schools. I like the goals you list because they’re across the board: national recognition and local success. For as long as you keep that balance, I’ll (vocally and financially) support you.

Michael Turmon  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  03:23 AM says:

+1 to Gorbin above.

The commenters who think most schools in this district are full of creationists are painfully uninformed.  This *may* have some truth in the more rural districts in the state, but not Olathe.  In fact, at least in the 80s, the schools in the area were in the top tier of public schools in the nation.

(SM West, class of 1983, national merit finalist, etc.—left the state though)

Understudy  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  05:21 AM says:

The district does not need to be full of creationist. The state rep currently is a creationist. A few years back the school made an effort to redefine science. This what people miss the point on. The population probably has a majority of well educated individuals. However apathy and a lack of detailed information on the candidates let creationist assume positions of power in government. Dover v Kitzmiller took place because parents had to get their schools back from a board that was forcing a creationist agenda. The majority of teachers opposed the idea of the school board but it didn’t matter. The school board just circumvented their objections. The district just needs enough creationist voters to grab seats on the board. The idea that only the rural areas have the creationist in them shows that apathy. That issue should be a point of grave concern.

P. Verus Solusque  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  07:08 AM says:

I was intrigued enough to visit this site after a friend posted to an email list a link to the XKCD-style appeal for donations. Certainly as someone who feels that creationists are threats to Western civilization, I felt moved to contribute some dollars to help a rational individual.

HOWEVER: There is __NOTHING__ on this education page to indicate that you actually support real science as part of your platform. And yes, I even read the source code for this page looking for that in comments. (Having to state your real position in source comments already would seem to be running scared.) And I agree with Understudy’s apparent view in his/her July 16th post that Kansas is viewed as a joke vis-a-vis education.

Mr. Tevis’ July 17th reply indicates that he is working towards the 2020 date as a goal for improvement, not as a statement of current reality. That’s all well, but 1) He _needs_ to say that explicitly and list specific proposals for how he intends to work towards that goal; and 2) if he is indeed opposing
creationist anti-science, he MUST show the courage to say so forcefully and campaign in such manner.

I’ll check these position papers later on. If I see real, plain-stated content, I will be more than happy to contribute to his campaign effort. Until then, I’m holding off.

Patrick Shields  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  08:36 AM says:

I’m sorry I didn’t form very coherent arguments in my last post. To reiterate them, I would greatly appreciate it if you 1) fought for less federal control and more local control, 2) vote against legislation unless it is absolutely critical to the function of society.

I believe the more laws we have, the worse. Laws are not the answer to many of our problems and they never will be. I’m sure you’re familiar with Ron Paul, but please make a point to read his book and realize some of the unintended consequences of government regulation.

I like your stance on no sales tax on food. If you are elected, please try as hard as possible to take as little taxpayer money as possible. Consider New Hampshire, which has no general sales tax or income tax.

To Edward: I am saying that even if the majority elect Sean, that does not make it right to impress his views on education onto the rest of Olathe residents. Unless you’re a collectivist. Personally, I regard tyranny of the majority as evil in most situations.

Understudy  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  09:03 AM says:

Patrick:
So we eliminate state regulations on school education standards.
Now the local community decides the education standards. In Clearwater, FL that would mean that Scientology would choose the local education standards. Lawrence, KS can have a science curriculum that teaches the earth is 6000 years old. Clearwater, FL can have one that teaches that it is millions of years old and we come from clams with thetans that contaminate us. The problem is neither of them is science. But the local majority can be a worse tyranny than the national majority. The idea behind state and federal standards is that there is a commonplace element to education. While the system is flawed. It can be adjusted.
Sometimes however it takes some regulation to do that.

Look at this campaign. The majority of Sean’s money has come from people who will never vote for him. Because they don’t live in his area. His small but noteworthy issues on his campaign strike a note with citizens across the country. But you can bet there are going to be local residents who are incensed with the idea that he is taking outside contributions. To them what business is it of theirs what goes on in their neck of the woods. And that is not just rural areas. New York City gets upset when Atlantic City gets involved in it’s affairs. However this is the nature of open government. Local issues can have broader impacts. If local matters were of no concern bigamy would still be legal in Utah.

Patrick Shields  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  09:41 AM says:

Lawrence is a college city--there is NO WAY they would adopt creationism in their schools. Let the rational Lawrence residents fight that battle. And even if a pocket of ignorance that strong really exists in Clearwater, Fl, then parents who are not Scientologists should homeschool their children or create a private school. Allow the open-minded individuals to fight their own fight. Give them media attention. Storm their city with letters. But don’t physically force them to teach what the majority considers to be science.

The best way to tell people how to run their schools is to be a good role model through your own local school. It’s not to use force to tell other people how to live.

I personally have no problem with Sean collecting out-of-state contributions. It shows he has widespread support for his ideas. (Although, I think it also shows that people will donate to anything when you write an XKCD-style web comic about it.)

And bigamy in Utah? Talk about harmless. Who are we to tell other people how they can relate to each other? Tyranny of the majority at work again. The truth is that polygamists can have working, loving relationships too. It’s not our job to tell them they can’t legally do that. Let people marry who they want; it’s just a word that we use to view their assets a certain way. I really don’t see why the government is even involved in marriage.

Understudy  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  09:49 AM says:

Lawrence is a college city--there is NO WAY they would adopt creationism in their schools. Let the rational Lawrence residents fight that battle. And even if a pocket of ignorance that strong really exists in Clearwater, Fl, then parents who are not Scientologists should homeschool their children or create a private school. Allow the open-minded individuals to fight their own fight. Give them media attention. Storm their city with letters. But don’t physically force them to teach what the majority considers to be science.

That statement alone is why I believe we need some kind of standard.

Patrick Shields  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  11:14 AM says:

Well, I’m the result of those standards, and that paragraph is the result of rational thought. I’ve studied calculus, chemistry, physics, and biology. I know how to program computers and I was in my school’s gifted program.

I believe in individual responsibility. I think communities have the power to succeed without intervention. Communities have governed themselves fine in the past, and in many countries, they still do today. The presence of a higher government power is unnecessary in 99% of these cases, and in the rare cases such as Clearwater, appealing to reason is a better alternative than hijacking their education system (should they choose to teach scientology.)

Think about native american communities or indigenous tribes. They don’t know science, and they’re still happy. It might be more beneficial for them to learn science, but that’s where peaceful appeal to reason comes in--not force.

So Sean, please, fight for more community control and less federal control. I’m not saying the state and federal governments should be 100% uninvolved with community affairs; I am arguing that it currently is encroaching TOO MUCH.

We don’t need all of the current standards (and accompanying taxes.) We are rational human beings and we do not need state or federal governments taking half our paycheck in exchange for standards and regulations.

Rassah  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  11:38 AM says:

Patric, I totally agree with you about individual responsibility, and that people should have the right to govern themselves. The issue here is that children don’t have that right. At all. They are entirely controlled by their parents from the time they are born. I think depriving some kids opportunities despite that not being their fault is extremely unfair. If you did not have the opportunity to go to the schools you did (for example, if your parents could not afford private schools, and you lived in a really bad area), you wouldn’t be able to brag about your SATs and education. Also, allowing the parents to forcefully brainwash their kids into things like creationism, extreme superstition, and beliefs that scientists are evil people who are trying to destroy god, is akin to child abuse (mental abuse). Kids don’t have a say in any of that, and it’s pretty much left up to the government to make sure that all kids have the same chance out there. Yes, some kids can study well, and some will slack off and even drop out, but the point is that everyone should at least have the same chance. At least everyone who otherwise does not have a say in the matter. After they’re out of school, yeah, they’re on their own.

wilkinsonian  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  12:50 PM says:

I think that promoting the fact that The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster came out of the flap over ID would do you good. It would point out the ludicrousness of the situation, and really, TCFSM is a good thing. Praise the noodle.
Just get a good copy editor to go over how you phrase it.
Good luck.

Patrick Shields  on  Fri, Jul 18, 08  at  12:55 PM says:

Those are extreme cases. Most parents do not want to brainwash their children. In a responsible community, it is the job of the rest of the community to reason with those who would seriously hurt their children by doing that. It is the job of the community to reason with parents who do not want their children to be educated.

I believe that individual rights are inherited at birth, not at the age of the majority. Therefore, it is a child’s choice to stay with his/her parents. If a child wants to leave and his/her parents will not allow it, that merits the use of force of the community to rescue the child. I believe communities should set up safe places for children whose parents mentally, emotionally, or physically abuse them. Note: this should be done by volunteers, not government.

Also, public schools have their flaws. They often teach one side of things (the government’s side), and they teach sterile, democratic agendas that leave out important things like social skills.

Government is an excuse for community members not to get their hands dirty. The mindset is, “I’ll pay some taxes so that someone else will take care of it.” The problem is, that “someone else” probably won’t care very much, and a lot of that money will be wasted. The job won’t get done. This applies to all areas.

If you believe that it is moral for the majority to decide how the minority lives, then proceed as normal. I don’t. I believe that government should only exist to protect people’s freedom. Every action (such as the payment of taxes) should be voluntary, and only physical harm should be punishable (unless used in defense.)

My beliefs are not mainstream. I think this is because of the cruelty of the law in my own situation. I am 17 years old. I have made thousands of dollars from programming online video games. I am mature enough to be a functional member of society. But if I don’t want to live with my parents, and I leave, they can report me as a runaway. Police can catch me and take me home against my will. I can’t even vote! I was forced to go to school, and school did an extremely poor job of preparing me for the real world. I second guess myself. I struggle with time management and self control. If I had grown up in the libertarian community I’m suggesting, things would have gone better.

Enough of my rant. Sean, good luck, but please keep in mind the unintended consequences of laws--sometimes they interfere with outliers, like me.

David Rutter  on  Tue, Jul 22, 08  at  07:39 PM says:

@Peter: College is not necessary for socialization, nor is parents spending the money just to have them socialized.  We have more students in major universities now than ever, and yet, by some standards, young people are less well-socialized than they were 50 years ago.  How did that happen?  And when this country was founded, most people got their career education via apprenticeships and were equally well-socialized this way.  Apprenticeships are just as feasible now, especially since businesses are investing considerably in schools willing to create such youth apprenticeship opportunities.  This is high school students getting paid to learn, and many times learning more useful skills than they (fail to) do in school.

Andromeda  on  Wed, Jul 23, 08  at  01:22 PM says:

Love your xkcd, love your platform, am joining your Spartan auxiliary.  Would’ve donated more had there been more information on this page (any at all, really)—I’m a teacher and a minor-league ed reform junkie, so I read this stuff.

Melissa  on  Thu, Jul 31, 08  at  10:09 AM says:

Well one obvious solution to improving schools is to quit cutting educational funding… And I’m sure that is step one in the process. I’m so glad to see someone who wants to make it a priority. 
And I’m so sick of reading comments about people putting this concept down. The negativity is sickening.
This is an important issue to me because I just had to pull my child from a school because they were not meeting standards, in fact only 39% of the entire elementary students were, and this is alarming. Something HAS to be done.

Peter M. Gerdes  on  Thu, Jul 31, 08  at  11:52 AM says:

Actually it’s far from obvious at all that funding makes that big of a difference in schooling.  I mean this is one of those pieces of conventional wisdom that seems like it must be true but I certainly haven’t seen any evidence that money has a significant causal effect on student achievement.

Sure, richer schools tend to do better but those are usually the schools whose students have many advantages compared to the poorer schools.  It’s also certainly true that the wealthier schools can hire more accomplished and better educated teachers as well as nicer facilities, learning aids and so forth.  Likely increasing spending on schools would give some benefit as a result but the question is whether it would be significant or a trivial change.  In particular I think there are several tough questions that one needs to answer before you can reach a conclusion on this issue.

1) How much does it cost to encourage the sort of teachers to leave rich schools and move to ones that are currently performing poorly?  Would the rich schools just raise wages in return?  Does living in a bad school district/teaching in a historically poorly performing area discourage teachers from taking jobs there without large pay raises?

2) Could we increse the quality of people entering the teaching profession by a moderate raise in wages or would it require something like doubling them?  Given that many good teachers feel the profession is a calling and enter it despite the bad pay it’s quite possible that overall higher wages would only attract a few more highly qualified teachers until the wages started being competitive with other jobs (especially for math/science teachers).

3) How well are school districts able to identify good teachers?  This, I think, is a huge problem.  Basing teacher performance on standardized tests causes serious issues with teaching to the test and other issues but without it there is often no good measure of teacher performance. 

Yes, administrators can look at how the students of various teachers perform but after several years of TAing calculus I’ve learned that it’s easy to look good by teaching the students rote algorithms without understanding and giving them tests that look hard but can be solved by mindless parroting.  Bot to mention the biases introduced by being likable or unlikable.

4) Does raising teacher wages attract the right kind of teachers?  Different teachers have different skills.  While obviously not the issue in Kansas if you placed the highly educated teachers from suburbia in inner city chicago or detroit they would likely be worse at educating those children because they wouldn’t have the right skills.

5) Do better teachers really make that much difference?

In my experience as a student it is the other classmates who have the most influence on students.  If all your classmates study hard you feel bad if you don’t and join them in working hard but if no one tries at all peer pressure works the opposite way.  When the students in the classroom don’t come from families that strongly value learning the teacher can often only do so much to change that.  On the other hand I’ve seen classes of AP students faced with a bad teacher work to extract the lessons from the teacher anyway.  Sure many people report being inspired by a particularly good teacher but had they not been inspired by that teacher would they have been inspired by someone else to pursue some other subject?

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Maybe someone has done these studies but I don’t know the answers.  Frankly, my guess is that the best thing you could do for students in bad schools is not to improve their teachers but improve who their classmates are, i.e., make sure all students have the option to be bussed to ‘honors’ schools if they score highly enough.

Jack  on  Thu, Jul 31, 08  at  11:01 PM says:

Kansas won’t Ever be considered to have Good/Great schools until Evolution is taught in their schools. Until then, these schools are just a joke.

Patrick Shields  on  Fri, Aug 01, 08  at  11:27 AM says:

Dude, evolution IS taught in Kansas schools. At least, it is at the public school I went to.

Peter, I agree with your points. Districts use poor methods to select teachers. Classmates have a major affect on each other. Clearly, throwing money at education is not going to improve it.

At my high school (in Kansas), there were several things that could have been handled better even with less funding. More funding won’t solve a lack of understanding or of proper priorities.

andrea  on  Sat, Aug 02, 08  at  01:46 PM says:

Evolution IS part of the current science standards for all accredited K-12 schools in Kansas:
http://www.ksde.org/Default.aspx?tabid=144
(Note that the specific standards hyperlinks on that page are for PDFs.)

Evolution is also part of standard college science curricula.

“Throwing money at” schools does not solve problems per se.  Rather, we have to identify WHY schools have problems.  Some of those problems can be partly solved by better funding! Federal funding continues to erode and has not met promised levels, and states are less able to maintain funding (or even match inflation in their funding) due to economic stresses.  This is true for K-12 schools and colleges both.

Although it is easy to look at a couple of shiny new buildings on college campuses that were built by donor funding, the majority of the old universities in the state have crumbling buildings that are a (sometimes frightening) patchwork of “temporary” repairs due to decades-long lack of sufficient funding. Although it’s easy to say that a department should also seek monied donors, that doesn’t really work in the real world—there’s nothing sexy or valued-added for corporations to replace a roof on an annex, update the electricity and plumbing and windows in a historical stone building that serves several departments, replace the maintenance equipment barn mangled by a storm, or replace the wheezy cobbled-together HVAC equipment in what passes for grad student “office suites”.

Although high funding levels do not guarantee good schools, there is a rather high correlation between successful schools and funding, as well as between successful schools and well-trained teachers and involved parents. 

You cannot put the blame for poor student performance on any single factor; there are a multitude of factors that all heavily interact.

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Rich  on  Tue, Aug 12, 08  at  09:07 AM says:

Time for another cartoon, Sean.  This time you can title it “Time for people to weigh in when they have no idea what they are talking about.”

I was a product of the Kansas school system, at least the Johnson County version, and I think it’s one of the best systems in the country.  The rest of the state isn’t doing quite as well, however.

Alex  on  Fri, Aug 15, 08  at  04:29 PM says:

Your blog is interesting!

Keep up the good work!

dlogan  on  Sat, Aug 16, 08  at  08:15 PM says:

“Although high funding levels do not guarantee good schools, there is a rather high correlation between successful schools and funding”

The US spends more money per student and as a percentage of gross national product then pretty much any nation.
http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/international/IntlIndicators/index.asp?SectionNumber=1&SubSectionNumber=3&IndicatorNumber=101

Yet the education level of United States students has progressively been decreasing in comparison with other developed nations. (Working on citation)

I think this pretty clearly states the issue is NOT funding.

What then has changed so that our school system no longer compares with that of other countries?

I think one of the major causes has been the change of our material to be filled with propaganda instead of just knowledge.

In hopes of not offending the “fat kid” who can’t do PE, or the dyslexic who has a hard time reading, or any of the number of other legitimate and not legitimate reasons people have issues with school, we have filled out books with programming so that “everyone can get along”, and so that “no one has to be uncomfortable at school”.

The flip side of this training is that children believe they have the right to everything without ever doing anything.

“How dare the teacher embarrass me by asking me to read out loud when I have a speech impediment”. Likewise the parents then call up the school board and complain.

The truth of the mater is that we achieve our best when we are challenged to do things we might view as uncomfortable. This used to be the norm.

If you has a speech impediment and you knew you could be called on to read a section of a book, you would be sure you practiced it so you could sound as good as you could. As a result your speaking got better.

Now children just think that due to their weakness they should not have to deal with it at all. It is not their problem, but everyone else who has the problem.

This is not a formula for success. It may be contrary to popular opinion and the recommendation of “experts”, but we need to go back to where it is ok to expose a child’s weakness in school and work from there.

Patrick Shields  on  Sat, Aug 16, 08  at  11:40 PM says:

I totally agree, dlogan. Well said.

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